Post by TheTravelBug on Nov 14, 2009 15:35:51 GMT
1. Renovations are NOT cheap - VERY IMPORTANT, DO NOT BUY AN OLD RURAL HOUSE UNLESS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IS GOING TO COST YOU A MINIMUM OF 20,000 TO 25,000 EUROS FOR BASIC RENOVATIONS FOR A SMALL HOUSE
Many people come over with the preconception that they will be able to buy a house for a few thousand and then renovate it to a good standard for a few thousand more. Renovations can get expensive. For example a new septic tank (required in most cases) will set you back 1,000 to 2,000 Euros depending on plumbing required, new PVC windows are around 75 Euros per square metre at a rough estimate so for an average small rural house budget for at least another 1,000 to 2,000 Euros or so for the cheapest type, a shower room together with tiling and appliances will be maybe another 1,000 Euros, kitchen will be at least another couple of thousand Euros, any structural work gets expensive. For a small rural house you are looking at all new wiring, plumbing, putting in a bathroom, a kitchen, often internal plastering, roof repairs, new windows and so on. Budget at least 20,000 Euros for modest renovations but to do up to a good standard at least 25,000 Euros.
2. You need bucket loads of patience and nerves of steel!
The most important thing to remember is everything takes forever in Bulgaria. The supply chain is horrendous, nothing arrives on time, an early start usually means around midday, there are then numerous fag breaks....For example it took two days to fit a small kitchen in one of my apartments. All the cupboards came flat packed so just needed putting together. The walls were rather uneven but all the same it took forever and little progress seemed to be made. The fitters would arrive at midday and then work until past 8.00pm. And then they did not plumb in the sink or wire up the hob because that was not part of their job!
Regardless of the date you are given for delivery of items, add a further two or three weeks to this at most. My kitchens arrived 6 weeks later than anticipated and then it took a further two weeks to get the fitters scheduled in to deliver and fit the kitchens. My new staircase and balcony railings were meant to be ready and delivered by the last week in October... they arrived mid December.
Just because you order and pay for something does not mean it will arrive or indeed even be available. I ordered blinds in a particular colour, paid for them and was told they would take around 2 weeks. A week later I received a phone call to say the colour I had chosen was not available so I had to choose another one which meant a further two weeks wait!
Tiles I choose and ordered were suddenly no longer produced, despite still being on show in shop and then shop taking the order and payment for them!
A delivery date for furniture of 30 days after ordering, is more likely to mean 45 to 60 days later.
3. There WILL be unforeseen costs
When giving a quote for renovations on a house you will get a cost for certain work such as new windows, re-plastering, re-roofing etc but please keep in mind that until work starts, it is impossible to tell exactly what will need doing and replacing...Be prepared and put something aside in your budget for some unforeseen costs that are bound to arise.
4. Bulgarian vs British (or foreign) Prices
Much is made about foreigners being ripped off and charged extortionate amounts for building work, much more than a Bulgarian would be expected to pay. And of course this does happen in some cases. I am often asked about building costs and usually explain that the costs of a new build are between 400 to 450 euros per sqm (finished costs with bathrooms, plastered, painted etc). This is often met with the belief that these are 'British' prices and the customer only wants to pay 'Bulgarian' prices and refuses to be ripped off.
And you can get work done for cheaper than this, by locals in the village say, but I have seen renovations done by cheaper, village builders and the reason why the work is done for less is because the standard is nowhere near as good as it should be. Plus can take forever. You get what you pay for at the end of the day. And please also take into account that Bulgarian renovation and building standards, particularly in the villages, is not high. I do not mean this derogatively but they finish buildings so they are functional, not necessarily pleasing to the eye.
So for example, new doors and windows will be put in, but the plaster around the new frames will not be carefully filled in or smoothed off so you could be left with large holes and exposed brick work, tiles are sometimes not laid straight, wood may not be properly treated, there may not be proper insulation included, guttering and downspouts may not be replaced and so on.....
However, just finding decent builders in Bulgaria is a difficult task in itself and even if you pay higher prices you are unlikely to get a high quality finish as would be expected.
Whilst it is much much cheaper here to build a house from scratch or renovate here than it is in say the UK, do not expect to buy a plot of land and build a new 2 bedroom house (100sqm say) for under 60,000 Euros. And do not buy an old rural property and expect to renovate it for any less than 20,000 to 25,000 Euros. Be realistic. Prices of petrol and thus transport and delivery have gone up a fair bit in the last couple of years, bricks, concrete and so on have also increased. You can still build or renovate a lovely house here for a fraction of the price in the UK, but not for peanuts.
Oh and architects are expensive here. They charge around 5 to 15 Euros per sqm. Therefore for designs, plans and permissions for your 100sqm house, the architect alone is going to cost you maybe 1500 Euros.
Many people come over with the preconception that they will be able to buy a house for a few thousand and then renovate it to a good standard for a few thousand more. Renovations can get expensive. For example a new septic tank (required in most cases) will set you back 1,000 to 2,000 Euros depending on plumbing required, new PVC windows are around 75 Euros per square metre at a rough estimate so for an average small rural house budget for at least another 1,000 to 2,000 Euros or so for the cheapest type, a shower room together with tiling and appliances will be maybe another 1,000 Euros, kitchen will be at least another couple of thousand Euros, any structural work gets expensive. For a small rural house you are looking at all new wiring, plumbing, putting in a bathroom, a kitchen, often internal plastering, roof repairs, new windows and so on. Budget at least 20,000 Euros for modest renovations but to do up to a good standard at least 25,000 Euros.
2. You need bucket loads of patience and nerves of steel!
The most important thing to remember is everything takes forever in Bulgaria. The supply chain is horrendous, nothing arrives on time, an early start usually means around midday, there are then numerous fag breaks....For example it took two days to fit a small kitchen in one of my apartments. All the cupboards came flat packed so just needed putting together. The walls were rather uneven but all the same it took forever and little progress seemed to be made. The fitters would arrive at midday and then work until past 8.00pm. And then they did not plumb in the sink or wire up the hob because that was not part of their job!
Regardless of the date you are given for delivery of items, add a further two or three weeks to this at most. My kitchens arrived 6 weeks later than anticipated and then it took a further two weeks to get the fitters scheduled in to deliver and fit the kitchens. My new staircase and balcony railings were meant to be ready and delivered by the last week in October... they arrived mid December.
Just because you order and pay for something does not mean it will arrive or indeed even be available. I ordered blinds in a particular colour, paid for them and was told they would take around 2 weeks. A week later I received a phone call to say the colour I had chosen was not available so I had to choose another one which meant a further two weeks wait!
Tiles I choose and ordered were suddenly no longer produced, despite still being on show in shop and then shop taking the order and payment for them!
A delivery date for furniture of 30 days after ordering, is more likely to mean 45 to 60 days later.
3. There WILL be unforeseen costs
When giving a quote for renovations on a house you will get a cost for certain work such as new windows, re-plastering, re-roofing etc but please keep in mind that until work starts, it is impossible to tell exactly what will need doing and replacing...Be prepared and put something aside in your budget for some unforeseen costs that are bound to arise.
4. Bulgarian vs British (or foreign) Prices
Much is made about foreigners being ripped off and charged extortionate amounts for building work, much more than a Bulgarian would be expected to pay. And of course this does happen in some cases. I am often asked about building costs and usually explain that the costs of a new build are between 400 to 450 euros per sqm (finished costs with bathrooms, plastered, painted etc). This is often met with the belief that these are 'British' prices and the customer only wants to pay 'Bulgarian' prices and refuses to be ripped off.
And you can get work done for cheaper than this, by locals in the village say, but I have seen renovations done by cheaper, village builders and the reason why the work is done for less is because the standard is nowhere near as good as it should be. Plus can take forever. You get what you pay for at the end of the day. And please also take into account that Bulgarian renovation and building standards, particularly in the villages, is not high. I do not mean this derogatively but they finish buildings so they are functional, not necessarily pleasing to the eye.
So for example, new doors and windows will be put in, but the plaster around the new frames will not be carefully filled in or smoothed off so you could be left with large holes and exposed brick work, tiles are sometimes not laid straight, wood may not be properly treated, there may not be proper insulation included, guttering and downspouts may not be replaced and so on.....
However, just finding decent builders in Bulgaria is a difficult task in itself and even if you pay higher prices you are unlikely to get a high quality finish as would be expected.
Whilst it is much much cheaper here to build a house from scratch or renovate here than it is in say the UK, do not expect to buy a plot of land and build a new 2 bedroom house (100sqm say) for under 60,000 Euros. And do not buy an old rural property and expect to renovate it for any less than 20,000 to 25,000 Euros. Be realistic. Prices of petrol and thus transport and delivery have gone up a fair bit in the last couple of years, bricks, concrete and so on have also increased. You can still build or renovate a lovely house here for a fraction of the price in the UK, but not for peanuts.
Oh and architects are expensive here. They charge around 5 to 15 Euros per sqm. Therefore for designs, plans and permissions for your 100sqm house, the architect alone is going to cost you maybe 1500 Euros.
